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Title: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: Dan on 07 15, 11, 12:43:01:PM
That's right, Oz.  Incandescent light bulbs which can't meet the new efficiency standard really are scheduled for banishment.  But that's not sitting too well with the American people.  Apparently, Americans like the idea of having a choice and being able to make their own decisions.
 
67% of Americans oppose the ban.  Only 20% favor the ban.
 
28% think the new Compact Flourescent Lightbulbs are good for the environment.  28% think they are bad for the environment.
 
72% of voters think a free market economy (where people make their own decisions) is better than a government managed economy.  Only 14% think a government managed economy is better.
 
67% Oppose Upcoming Ban on Traditional Light Bulbs (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2011/67_oppose_upcoming_ban_on_traditional_light_bulbs)


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: slickclick on 07 15, 11, 12:59:17:PM
Looks like the light ban bill that Bush signed into law in 2007 isn't going over too well with the public. Just another Bush screw up.
 
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Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: chuck_curtis on 07 15, 11, 01:00:23:PM
Yep, another Bush screw-up with Obama carrying the baton.  Another of many.


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: Mystic on 07 15, 11, 01:06:02:PM
This is your proof that this country has waaaaaaay too manyyyyyyyyy dumb people.


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: hoosier_daddy on 07 15, 11, 01:07:00:PM
they also want their leaded gasoline back...what bozos...


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: Dan on 07 15, 11, 01:21:55:PM
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Looks like the light ban bill that Bush signed into law in 2007 isn't going over too well with the public. Just another Bush screw up.

BINGO!  A bad idea is a bad idea, no matter who does it.


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: Dan on 07 15, 11, 01:23:46:PM
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This is your proof that this country has waaaaaaay too manyyyyyyyyy dumb people

Mystic thinks it's dumb to want to have freedom of choice.  I suppose the smart thing to do would be to hand over control of your own life to a nameless, faceless bureaucrat, because he knows better than you what's best for you.  Isn't that right, Mystic?


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: Dan on 07 15, 11, 01:24:09:PM
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they also want their leaded gasoline back.
Liar.


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: chuck_curtis on 07 15, 11, 01:29:58:PM
This is your proof that this country has waaaaaaay too manyyyyyyyyy dumb people.
 
If it is, then it's also proof that democracy is dumb.  Which it is, and which is why the sanctity of individual liberty within a republic is superior.


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: hoosier_daddy on 07 15, 11, 01:33:26:PM
i agree, no efficiency standards should ever change.  asbestos should still be offered as insulation, thalilomide should still be given to pregnant women if they prefer, and doctors should still advertise how healthy cigarettes are on tv.  CAFE standards on cars are bad because look how many cars now get over 25 mpg....change is bad.  naughty bad.  does the phrase stuck on stupid ring a bell?


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: Dan on 07 15, 11, 02:09:40:PM
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i agree, no efficiency standards should ever change.
Actually, there should be NO efficiency standards at all.  It's none of the government's business.  It's the CONSUMER, acting in his own free will which puts pressure on manufacturers to provide quality products.  Freedom isn't right for everyone.  Hoserhead apparently is too stupid to be able to make decisions for himself, so he wants the government to tell him what to do.
 
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asbestos should still be offered as insulation
Why shouldn't it be?
 
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CAFE standards on cars are bad
That's right.  It's none of the government's business what gas mileage cars get.  It's up to the consumer to decide what kind of gas mileage he wants in a car.
 
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change is bad.
Not change.  Regulation.  Regulation is what's bad.  Change should be up to us.  Often change is good, especially when driven by consumer demand.  But not by government regulation.
 
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does the phrase stuck on stupid ring a bell?
Yep.  I'm looking right at it.


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: jst-the-fax on 07 15, 11, 02:40:49:PM
have any of you bothered to do any research into CFL's?   Well I have and they are nowhere as dangerous as some would like you to believe.  below is an article that does a great job in explaining the whole issue.   The future however is LED...which far outlast anything else and have zero environmental impact...there only problem is cost...but that should come down in the near future. 
 
http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/reviews/news/4217864 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/reviews/news/4217864)
 
http://www.earthtechproducts.com/energy-saving-led-light-bulbs.html (http://www.earthtechproducts.com/energy-saving-led-light-bulbs.html)


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: Dan on 07 15, 11, 02:56:40:PM
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have any of you bothered to do any research into CFL's?   Well I have and they are nowhere as dangerous as some would like you to believe.
Irrelevant.  This discussion is about freedom of choice, not which bulb is superior.
 
But since you brought it up, if the CFLs are not dangerous, why do the instructions tell you to call in a HAZ-MAT team to clean it up if you break one?


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: jst-the-fax on 07 15, 11, 03:04:49:PM
did you even bother reading the Popular Mechanics article???  And I don't recall seeing that particular warning on any packaging I have ever used.  Perhaps you could enlighten me as to which manufacturers include those instructions?   Also...are you aware that incandescent lights bulbs are 90% heat and 10% light...how much do you think that heat adds to your AC bill each year???

lastly...there are very few times government does anything right...but this is one of those times.  I hate to say that that...but the evidence is clear


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: Dan on 07 15, 11, 03:18:03:PM
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did you even bother reading the Popular Mechanics article???  And I don't recall seeing that particular warning on any packaging I have ever used.  Perhaps you could enlighten me as to which manufacturers include those instructions?   Also...are you aware that incandescent lights bulbs are 90% heat and 10% light...how much do you think that heat adds to your AC bill each year???

I said it is irrelevant.  I don't care how superior the CFL bulbs are.  The issue is freedom of choice.  I should not have to be coerced to buy them, if they are superior.  I will buy them by my own free will.
 
You can't know what is important to every person in the country.  That is why you are supposed to leave it up to them to decide for themselves what they want to do.  Some people might like the fact the old bulbs give off heat.  Why should you take away their right to buy those bulbs if that is what they want?

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there are very few times government does anything right...but this is one of those times.
Taking away our freedom to choose what kind of light bulb we want is not right.
 
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I hate to say that that...but the evidence is clear
Remember, our founding fathers said we tell the government what to do.  The government doesn't tell us what to do.


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: jst-the-fax on 07 15, 11, 03:59:56:PM
than I suggest you start a stockpile of incandescent bulbs...and I will start using the LED's and save energy on my total electrical and cooling costs.   BTW...is there a factory in the US still manufacturing your incandescent bulbs or have they all moved to china because of the abusive taxation and union dog costs?


Title: Re: 67% Oppose Light Bulb Ban
Post by: Dan on 07 15, 11, 04:40:33:PM
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than I suggest you start a stockpile of incandescent bulbs.
This is not about me.  What about every other American?  Shouldn't they have the right to have whatever kind of light bulb they want?
 
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BTW...is there a factory in the US still manufacturing your incandescent bulbs?

There will be soon in Texas.